posted 03-24-2008 03:00 PM
Regarding the poster "The Wolf." Look at his posts---see the references to JPCOT (a texas animal) and other obvious referances. He is the mole against Holden.His Last 5 posts are most revealing.
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1 Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Post-Conviction Polygraph Programs / Re: Polygraph Operator Eric J. Holden Sanctioned for Sexual Harassment
on: Today at 1:21pm
TheNoLieGuy4U wrote on Yesterday at 1:32pm:
Okay,
So I read Ms. Kimball's statement. All the actions she claimed were in a public classroom in the presence of other adults. Mr. Holden was doing so in the context of what is legally / culturally an appropriate form of touching between an adult male and female vs. an adult and a child. Could it be that she was just too dam sensitive, as there did not seem to be any substatiating statements from other females or other adults in that room, only that her feelings were hurt or that she was embarrassed.
Are you really trying to take a cheap shot here at Mr. Holden given his great success and pioneering efforts in the containment model of sex offenders. Certainly this minor civil effort by Ms. Kimball bears no comparison to the over all effort and accomplishments of Mr. Holden.
I think that a stronger case on the face of it could be made regarding this site attempting to assist self admitted sex offenders ordered into a program, with the clear knowledge that if successful, such advice would only cause further child victims, juvenile males and females.
Dr. Eric Holden wears a figurative white hat overall, whereas YOU wear no less than a dark gray one if not a black hat. There is no good result from you actually seeking out / soliciting sex offenders as you have in Dallas - Ft. Worth. You have really overstepped your bounds and sense of self worth and purpose / importance.
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WOLFie;
I didn't know that he was a PHD. He dosen't list it on his web site.
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2 Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Post-Conviction Polygraph Programs / Re: Unlawful Referral Scheme Alleged in Dallas-Fort Worth Metroplex Post-Conviction Sex Offender Polygraph Testing
on: Today at 1:12pm
EJohnson wrote on Today at 9:40am:
When an examiner runs a pcsot test for a containment team, and for whatever reason the team is disatisfied with the product (report) or maybe a lack of returned phone calls, lack of pretest consultation (call to therapist for team concerns) or any number of work result that is sub par, the treatment provider and/or probation team will ask (see insist) that that examiner not get so much work. The problem with that is proper channels either are not followed, or simply do not exist to file a complaint against an examiner within those municipalities that can put a hold on referals to the lackluster examiner (see chart roller.) This work is much like civil engineering re bridge building. Some "approved" contractors are better at designing and constructing bridges than other firms. This doesn;t suggest that the former firm CAN NOT complete a bridge, it is just that the system as a whole prefer a better product-----and despite the fact that there is a prima facie case-----don't discount that when it comes to helping to protect kids, the judge will not necessarily rule that referrals are like mere schoolhouse window washing contracts---to be divided amongst anyone with a squeegy. I do believe that the plaintiff deserves some referrals if he has not been able to show worth beyond a provider card. Expect a change in policy, and perhaps a fine to the defendants. The judge will find out that not all examiners are created equally IMO.
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wolfie wrote;
When I look at the exhibits, it seems the examiner has a point. Looks like he was told one thing and experienced another.
Sounds to me that he was under the impression (and rightfully so) that this was a county that he could "prove his worth", and when he found out he was sold a load of crap he took a stand.
Looking at the petition, I see this is not someone fresh out of school with a few years under his belt. From what I am reading, this man is no unknown or upstart base on who he has tested for in the past.
Tarrant County is known for being a "Closed Market" and it seems that this guy is the only one with balls enough to stand up for himself. He's not the only examiner in the area to see the good ole boyism in the market. But, he is the only one to stand up and point it out.
All he has to do is get a few therapists and examiners on his side and game over. From what I see on another discussion in this board, one of the defendants have more to worry about than this action. Wow!
One question I have to ask; if most of the offenders are going to one or two providers, how long are they waiting to take polygraphs? I ask this because if an examiner can only do 5 tests per day, then that is 25 slots per week per examiner. Most polygraph firms do law-enforcement/fire fighter pre-employment, attorney polygraphs, EEPA, and infidelity. If one were to play the numbers game, it's easy to see that there is more than likely as waiting period that may be unacceptable to the general public in regards to these potentially dangerous criminals having more time to possibly re-offend.
Sounds to me like the examiners that are so concerned for the community safety care more for their wallets. This also brings up the point of possible kickbacks.
Sounds like this action will answer a lot of questions. I know I’ll be watching.
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3 Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Procedure / Re: Video and/or Sound Recording of Polygraphs
on: Mar 22nd, 2008, 4:45pm
Fair Chance wrote on Mar 21st, 2008, 11:12pm:
Readers,
A thread was started many moons ago about the recording of polygraph operations. This could be audio only or video and audio. I believe a recording would have avoided what I went through because at a minimum, it showed obvious violations of "accepted polygraph procedures."
Now before anyone jumps on my case, I am not saying that polygraph procedures are accurate or acceptable per se. I am reaching out to examinees and examiners.
Would you or do you have a concern with recording of such examinations as to defend the use of polygraphs and justify their results? As an examinee, would you have a problem with the exam being recorded?
There seems to be no movement by examiners or government to go in this direction but I see little reason not to personally.
Pros and cons, let's hear them.
Regards.
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Wolfie wrote
The APA already has in their procedural guidelines that all polygraphs should be recorded. For PCSOT polygraph it is in the APA PCSOT model, JPCOT, and other model guidelines.
My advice to anyone taking a polygraph is clear. If the examiner does not have a working camera in the room, run, don't walk away.
I record all examinations, and will never perform an examination without a camera.
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4 Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Post-Conviction Polygraph Programs / Re: The Polygraph Paradox
on: Mar 22nd, 2008, 4:21pm
George W. Maschke wrote on Mar 22nd, 2008, 3:35am:
Today's (22 March 2008) Wall Street Journal features a front-page article about post-conviction polygraph screening by Laurie P. Cohen titled, "The Polygraph Paradox." A PDF copy is attached to this post for discussion purposes. The central argument of this article is that polygraphy doesn't have to be scientifically sound to have utility for deterring violations of parole or probation.
Unfortunately, the Journal's editors did a poor job fact-checking this article (if they did so at all). The numerous inaccuracies begin with a glaring mis-statement in the second paragraph: "Confessions made under polygraph aren't admitted as evidence in a vast majority of U.S. courts without the consent of the accused." The opposite is true.
My key criticism of this article, however, is that while it focuses on the utility, as opposed to the validity of polygraphy, it devotes no space to consideration of the disutility of reliance on a pseudoscientific technique that is inherently biased against the truthful yet easily passed by liars using simple countermeasures that polygraphers have no demonstrated ability to detect.
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Wolfie wrote;
There is a reason the term utility is used a lot now. It keeps examiners protected from what may be a false + or -. It also gives the examiner the ability to call an NDI chart an inconclusive chart when the examiner has a "gut feeling" they the examinee isn't telling the truth or may have engaged in CM's but the examiner can't prove it.
I was in a class once where a prominent polygraph examiner in the community who is billed as one of the foremost authorities said; "if you get an NDI chart and you have a gut feeling, judge it DI or inconclusive. Then mark the folder with the words utility test".
I believe it was someone in the DFW area with the initials E. H. that coined this stupid term, “utility test”. Yet as an examiner I see nowhere in the APA or JPCOT guidelines that approve the use of a “utility test”. I wonder how many truthful people went back to prison or jail based on a “utility test”.
Things that make you say hmmmmmmm.
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5 Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Post-Conviction Polygraph Programs / Re: Seeking Information from Registered Sex Offenders on Probation in the Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas Area
on: Mar 21st, 2008, 9:34pm
TheNoLieGuy4U wrote on Mar 21st, 2008, 6:24pm:
T.M.
It would seem you were unable to deal with MY posting altogether, other than recycling something altogether unrelated. I think this goes to my previous point about the same old Mantras being said over and over with no piercing effect.
Please answer this for me if you can. Math is the only perfect science. Polygraph (as well as other charts) are converted to mathamatics in rendering a decision. There are almost endless case examples in specific issue testing of confirmed charts PRIOR to other evidence validating them. Well trained Examiners with the most modern computer equipment, inclusive of motion sensors, have usually a low end 2% to high end 5% or less Inconclusive rate. In the remaining 95 to 98% of the time they are able to arrive at a clear point of rendering a clear finding, and one which is usually consistent in those charts. How do you account for the Examiner's hand score (subjective), as backed by the computer algorithm products (objective) arriving at the same conclusion in such high numbers. Neither the computer or the examiner place anything on the chart, and it ALL comes from the subject.
Please don't respond with your opinion about how you don't like it, as I have a child at the single digit age range who can do that about his food. Rather, You as an articulate adult please use logic to account for the above variables. Not a mantra, or blanket statements, but specifically --------- how are they able to do this ?
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Wolfie
Huh?!!!! Are you responding to TM here or me? If you are asking me, you should answer my questions first.
You should answer anyway. Or are you to busy looking in whatever reading material you have gathered from some class you took from some crackpot with a fake PHD or an absent minded boob that can't even remember to renew a license. Take your choice, because I doubt that you went to a quality PCSOT school.
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6 Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Post-Conviction Polygraph Programs / Re: Seeking Information from Registered Sex Offenders on Probation in the Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas Area
on: Mar 21st, 2008, 8:11pm
T.M. Cullen wrote on Mar 21st, 2008, 5:17pm:
Mr Cullen,
Quote:
I have to ask before I respond to this posting. Is your post regarding all examiners, or is it directed at the Grand Inquisitor and others of his ilk?
It applies to everyone it applies to.
I would also add ARROGANT and VINDICTIVE to the list of adjectives describing them.
That could cover both sides of the fence. But, that may very well be your point.
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7 Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Post-Conviction Polygraph Programs / Re: Seeking Information from Registered Sex Offenders on Probation in the Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas Area
on: Mar 21st, 2008, 4:19pm
TheNoLieGuy4U wrote on Mar 21st, 2008, 11:05am:
Hi T.M.
Did you not just see me participate in a civil explanation to G.M. about the conditions sex offenders live under as ordered by a Judge ?
What was your problem with that ? Are you so entrenched in your position that you reach to the fringes of having no argument that you have to reference the middle ages ? You may find if and when you are open to it that the Truth does not rest in the fringes, and in regard to the computer polygraph it's proponents have already stated it is not perfect but significant , while its detractors still try to use that less than pefect admission as if it had no value at all. I would rather believe that people of your side of the aisle might mature and also admit that technology, techniques, and their applications get better with time. Simply trying to tear down that which is, and has been proven valuable; and without any replacement for same, is a waste of time and energy. Reach down deep now, and in your cool sobering maturity, tell me what you would replace the polygraph with that is both more affordable and reliable. I still have been waiting for that answer from you folks, you see only passed over applicants here and those claiming the shadow of "I told the Truth" in their tests who spew out only negativity, and no reality.
It seems my ahem esteemed colleague has been happy to tell you that the process is accurate, but fails to "Reach down deep now, and in your cool sobering maturity" tell the posters, at least in part, why he believes the process is accurate. I can now understand why the credibility of the profession is questioned. Using the "it does so work" argument just causes more questions and suspicion. Therefore I will apologize for my dear colleague from parts unknown and try to explain just a bit more using a post I have made in the past on another discussion. I think you'll find my post far more enlightening.
the following is the cut and paste text from that posting.
Re: Polygrapher Violating Disclosure of Information to fellow Officers
Reply #11 - Yesterday at 7:44pm nopolycop wrote on Jan 10th, 2008, 7:03pm:
Please explain to me, Mr. Wolf, how one can "pass" or "fail" an opinion? It is well established that the results of a polygraph examination is simply the learned opinion of the polygrapher, correct? With the more experienced, better educated polygraphers likely to have a more accurate opinion, correct?
Assuming the above is accurate, how can one pass or fail an opinion?
An examiner reading your physiological data and scoring the data based on the degree of physiological arousal that is
1, timely
2, significant
3, and consistent among the 3 collected charts
Should be able at accurately assess which question you are most afraid of. Lets, remember people, this is not a lie detector, it's a fear detector. We are reading sympathetic vs parasympathetic nervous system reaction. No one can “detect a lie” unless of course that person truly is GOD. And if you do meet God, tell him to call me. I know a lot of people that are trying to find his son and I am sick of them asking me where he is.
While there are some scoring systems that give the examiner a degree of subjectivity, the decision to go to the green or the red SHOULD be an objective one. This is sadly not always the case. Thus bringing me to my next opinion.
I feel, in some cases, the new examiner is more apt to be objective than subjective. The new examiner is fresh out of school, wide eyed and truly eager to do it all "by the book". They will often sit at their desk with a ruler and a score sheet and take 5-10 minutes to score chart #1. ahhhh to be a young examiner. On the flip side of that, the new examiner can miss a few things that only experience teaches. I believe that you learn about polygraph in polygraph school. It's what gets pumped into that new examiners brain after school that makes him/her a chart roller or an examiner.
That brings me to the next issue.
The more experienced examiner, can be someone who truly loves his/her job. They can’t wait to get and sometimes comes home late because time got away from him/her. This is an examiner that trains interns well, quality controls the lesser experienced charts for errors, and corrects the bad habits or unprofessional behavior of the examiners under his or her supervision. Sadly this examiner is not in the majority.
Some more experienced examiners may have "hit the wall". Maybe he/she has become a bit jaded or has become someone who goes to work, does the job, and goes home like many people that some of us know. They forgot how important it was to be objective and fair. This examiner, in my opinion has many years under his or her belt and can't wait to for the day that they can leave it all behind them and spend their last days in God's waiting room, Florida.
On the flip side of this is the arrogant pinhead that feels that he/she maybe is "God's gift to the polygraph community". This is someone who runs his/her office like a chart factory, feels that they are somehow above the law, and disregards the principals of polygraph because after all, they seem to think they know it all.
Because they know it all, they try to hire or train as many people as they can in an effort to infect the community with their brand of "truth", making it more difficult for the examiner that does give a crap to make a solid difference that is positive and helpful to the world. This is next to impossible because of the chart roller larva that is infecting this industry with a smothering virus of ignorance, self indulgence, and egotism.
In closing over 51% of the time I would trust the non politically motivated "new guy" to give a fair test over most of the examiners that have been around 25+ years.
Let me know if I have missed anything in my answer.
I do hope that I have given you more understandable information than "it does so work".
8 Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Post-Conviction Polygraph Programs / Re: Seeking Information from Registered Sex Offenders on Probation in the Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas Area
on: Mar 21st, 2008, 4:03pm
T.M. Cullen wrote on Mar 21st, 2008, 2:34am:
I think we should let TLG keep posting so we can examine the true, unmasked workings of the "polygrapher mind". Quite similar to that of an inquisitor of the "Middle Ages".
Did alchemists fret as much when debunked? Were their ravings as venomous and incoherent?
Mr Cullen,
I have to ask before I respond to this posting. Is your post regarding all examiners, or is it directed at the Grand Inquisitor and others of his ilk?
9 Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Post-Conviction Polygraph Programs / Re: Seeking Information from Registered Sex Offenders on Probation in the Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas Area
on: Mar 21st, 2008, 3:58pm
TheNoLieGuy4U wrote on Mar 21st, 2008, 12:55am:
Okay,
A sex offender in a treatment program on probation / parole may have that status up and including for life. While in the program either the treatment provider or the probation officer may violate them and have them revoked which means jail / prison. The program is a priviledge, and not right. In fact, while on probation they do NOT have their full civil rights. Further, they may not communicate outside of group treatment with other felons. They, and the language is usually broad as interpreted by a Judge, Treatment provider, or probation officer; may not perform any action which leads them forward in the cycle of deviance. They may not discuss out of group their polygraph experiences, questions, methods, results, etc. To any reasonable person then, their communicating with you as a part of Anti-Polygraph.com is in fact an Anti-Program measure for them. They are not making a commitment to the polygraph community per se, but rather to the macro treatment program as not to undermine its function for themselves or others. Your efforts are a contaminent in that legal process for them, and they know it. In fairness to you, NOW you know it.
I didn't say I was disagreeing with you, I was just saying that you were very hostile and defensive, kind of like now. I never said they had full civil rights, but the basic ones still stand. The one that is most encumbered by this probation is the 4th and 2dn amendments. The 1st and 5th amendment rights still stand with some restrictions.
By the way, I get my information from a lawyer that I pay for this kind of advice before I go shooting my mouth off. So, unless you have a Bar Card, what you have to say in regards to the interpretation of law means nothing to me. I would also thank you to not give legal advice or interpret law without a license to do so. That kind of thing can get you into trouble. I have an idea, let’s let the judges and lawyers decide what a violation of conditions is, after all they are the ones who wrote the law. Do your job and let them do theirs.
If someone wants to risk getting into trouble, then let them hang them selves. Though I am willing to bet if they are exposing the likes of you, the Judge may be easy on them to get to you.
Moreover you are in no place to inform me of anything. You sound like one of those chart rollers that loves the word inconclusive, just so you can charge for another test, and don't say that examiners aren't looser with inconclusive in PCSOT than with any other test. Lying just insults me and degrades you.
Tell me to you mark your test with the term "utility test"? Oh my, did I use the term “utility test” in my outside voice? Silly me. I wonder if anyone else knows what a "utility test" is. Or do you run a true polygraph?
Are all your examinations audio and video recorded?
Do you run only approved formats?
Do you hand score all charts or do you give then a quick "global review"?
Do all your PCSOT tests run a minimum of 90 minutes?
If you have to think about any of these questions or you get defensive, than my concern is that you are outside of APA standards. Don't say there aren't examiners out there that don't do it, we all know they do and who thay there are.
By the way, I wonder if you can tell me how the GSR works and what is the difference between analog and sensor box GSR? I await this answer with great anticipation. If you know the answer maybe you can tell me, just so I know.
Next time read the post. Interesting how hostile you have been and you don't deny it.
10 Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Policy / Re: Polygrapher Violating Disclosure of Information to fellow Officers
on: Mar 20th, 2008, 7:44pm
nopolycop wrote on Jan 10th, 2008, 7:03pm:
Please explain to me, Mr. Wolf, how one can "pass" or "fail" an opinion? It is well established that the results of a polygraph examination is simply the learned opinion of the polygrapher, correct? With the more experienced, better educated polygraphers likely to have a more accurate opinion, correct?
Assuming the above is accurate, how can one pass or fail an opinion?
An examiner reading your physiological data and scoring the data based on the degree of physiological arousal that is
1, timely
2, significant
3, and consistent among the 3 collected charts
Should be able at accurately assess which question you are most afraid of. Lets, remember people, this is not a lie detector, it's a fear detector. We are reading sympathetic vs parasympathetic nervous system reaction. No one can “detect a lie” unless of course that person truly is GOD. And if you do meet God, tell him to call me. I know a lot of people that are trying to find his son and I am sick of them asking me where he is.
While there are some scoring systems that give the examiner a degree of subjectivity, the decision to go to the green or the red SHOULD be an objective one. This is sadly not always the case. Thus bringing me to my next opinion.
I feel, in some cases, the new examiner is more apt to be objective than subjective. The new examiner is fresh out of school, wide eyed and truly eager to do it all "by the book". They will often sit at their desk with a ruler and a score sheet and take 5-10 minutes to score chart #1. ahhhh to be a young examiner. On the flip side of that, the new examiner can miss a few things that only experience teaches. I believe that you learn about polygraph in polygraph school. It's what gets pumped into that new examiners brain after school that makes him/her a chart roller or an examiner.
That brings me to the next issue.
The more experienced examiner, can be someone who truly loves his/her job. They can’t wait to get and sometimes comes home late because time got away from him/her. This is an examiner that trains interns well, quality controls the lesser experienced charts for errors, and corrects the bad habits or unprofessional behavior of the examiners under his or her supervision. Sadly this examiner is not in the majority.
Some more experienced examiners may have "hit the wall". Maybe he/she has become a bit jaded or has become someone who goes to work, does the job, and goes home like many people that some of us know. They forgot how important it was to be objective and fair. This examiner, in my opinion has many years under his or her belt and can't wait to for the day that they can leave it all behind them and spend their last days in God's waiting room, Florida.
On the flip side of this is the arrogant pinhead that feels that he/she maybe is "God's gift to the polygraph community". This is someone who runs his/her office like a chart factory, feels that they are somehow above the law, and disregards the principals of polygraph because after all, they seem to think they know it all.
Because they know it all, they try to hire or train as many people as they can in an effort to infect the community with their brand of "truth", making it more difficult for the examiner that does give a crap to make a solid difference that is positive and helpful to the world. This is next to impossible because of the chart roller larva that is infecting this industry with a smothering virus of ignorance, self indulgence, and egotism.
In closing over 51% of the time I would trust the non politically motivated "new guy" to give a fair test over most of the examiners that have been around 25+ years.
Let me know if I have missed anything in my answer.
Time to get home now. Everyone have a good night.
11 Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Post-Conviction Polygraph Programs / Re: Seeking Information from Registered Sex Offenders on Probation in the Dallas-Fort Worth, Texas Area
on: Mar 20th, 2008, 5:10pm
TheNoLieGuy4U wrote on Mar 20th, 2008, 4:43pm:
George,
What possible purpose legitimate purpose could you have for wanting to be in contact with these sex offenders in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area. If we take your website materials as evidence, it could only lead to the conclusion that you want to interfere with, undermind, or sabotage; the court ordered programs they need to be a part of. Did you realize that in contacting you they know well that it would be a violation of their program ? The restrictions of their program is trumped by your desire to communicate with them, and could cause them to be revoked. You can not hide behind your desire for research with this group as a defense. Courts have punished "Enablers" in the past, and with this writing and others you are now fully informed and on notice ! Let the chips fall where they may.
Wow, you know, the more you type the more hostile you seem to sound. Now, I know some people like throwing a large number of stones into a glass house all at the same time, but I have found that someone does this to make enough noise to distract everyone else from the truth itself.
Normally I'd be on a fellow examiners side, but I am seeing you getting out of hand and throwing a lot of stones.
Makes me ask why?
In the probation conditions I see, there is nothing in them (when they are allowed to have internet access) that says it's a violation for looking at a website that does not have pornography on it. Nor does it state that they can't look at anti polygraph.org. They may be convicted of a crime, but this doesn't mean that they all rights striped from them.
As a polygraph examiner do I want my examinee to look at this website just to try to beat a test because they're lying? No.
As a polygraph examiner do I want to restrict an examinee, who intends to be truthful, from obtaining information about a test that their freedom rests on? No
I don’t agree with everything that is said on this web site, this web site does contain some very accurate information on what polygraph measures and how it measures it. I would rather them read it hear for nothing so they can pay for their polygraph then give the rectal cavity in Oklahoma money for information that is laughable at best.
Back to you though. Why does it seem to me that you are "protesting too much"? What do you have to lose here? Why do you seem to be trying to scare someone from exercising a God given right to free speech, George or anyone else's?
By the tone of your email I would say that your psychological set is pined on this. Once again why?
12 Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Policy / Re: Polygrapher Violating Disclosure of Information to fellow Officers
on: Jan 10th, 2008, 5:13pm
[quote author=7F5046455047350 link=1197866087/0#3 date=1197966455]stiller wrote on Dec 16th, 2007, 11:34pm:
Sir,
One hundred examiners, more or less, will respondt to your post and deny that they do such behaviors. But the fact is, they are doing exactly what they were taught to do. Lie to and intimidate the examineees. Unfortunatly, polygrapf examiners regard a passing examinee as a defeat unto themselves.
So, this can explain the false credentials, doctorates, phd's etc that they need to impress the examinee and subjugate him psychologically.
The polygrapf is a wizards stick.
Respectfully,
JP
Spel ceck can b ur frend.
As private polygraph examiner I can tell you that I have heard of such a thing happening. If that has happened to you, I am truly sorry. What you do leave out was an improtant detail. Were you using CM's? You are posting here so that tells me there is a chance you may need to study up, because you got busted and now it's time for sour grapes.
I will also say that never once have I ever hoped that someone would fail a polygraph. I will admit that if I was polygraphing my ex-wife; I would pray to God that she fails, that would be the only exception. I am sure some of you guys may understand that.
It's not my job to get someone to fail the polygraph; it's my job to help them pass. If someone is going to fail they are going to do that all by themselves.
Any chart roller can run a DI or an inconclusive chart. A real Examiner does his best to run NDI charts
13 Polygraph and CVSA Forums / Polygraph Procedure / Re: If the polygrapher asks you to do a math problem?
on: Jan 10th, 2008, 4:53pm
It's called a CVOS. It's a form of acq test.
We are also looking for to much reaction to the math question. You should educate yourself on the subject before you put fingers to keyboard.
I personally love using the CVOS. It's not a 100%, but it's a good start.
Let me also say that I expect to see reaction to this. I expect that my examinee have done some research. I would if I were in his or her place. Many times when I catch someone and they admit it, I find that they have bought a book from a tool by the name of Doug.
I at that point tell them that they been ripped off and they could have got better info for free. Their reaction is always priceless. First they get busted because the used CM's learned from an "expert", then they're told that they could have had (what I feel is) better info for nothing.
It's better than cable.
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